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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:50 am 
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Oh wow, let me just take a minute to reply. I can see how being told not to be ungrateful can put you in a bad mood. But hey, the world doesn't spin around you. EUO updates usually take a few days, always have. Before the last two updates, there's been a period of 3 months or so without any patches and uninterrupted scripting. Just your bad luck to get a patch right when activating more accounts. Shit happens.

Anyway, thanks for your donation. It'll go toward server costs. It's not even my PayPal account and I do not have access, never had. I don't advertise the fact so people don't stop donating, but it wouldn't have any effect on the speed of updates anyway, not for 10 bucks. The person who hosts the site spent far more over the years than any amount of donations (the few we get) will ever make up for. As far as I know, the UOStock guys kick around 50 bucks every other month in our direction, not sure tbh. In fact, my guess would be that a lot of money used to be made around here, look left and right towards our prolific veterans. Those days are over though. I can't remember having made a single buck off of EUO itself for the last 15 years or so. It paid off in other small ways, so I'm not complaining.

Anti-virus software wrongly detect software as viruses all the time. It's what's called a false positive. You're supposed to add EasyUO.exe to your exclusion list to make the error go away. But hey, don't let me tell you, go look it up on Wikipedia like any avid PC user should:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus ... _positives

And here's the analysis of virustotal.com, a site anyone should know. 1 engine thinks EUO might be unsafe, 64 think it's fine. You be the judge:
https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/ea863 ... 5f2eda27af

And if you think you're a unique snowflake and it's good we talked about viruses and such, here are the past threads:
search.php?keywords=virus

So, EUO appears to be up-to-date for now and virus-free, happy scripting...


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:54 pm 
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It is in the nature of EUO to be flagged sometimes as suspicious: In the end it manipulates and interacts with memory not assigned to the EUO but to the client.
This is what a virus does as well.
Feel free to not use it.

However, a scan on virustotal gets a 100% clean rate in 63 different virus-scanners if i let it scan the ZIP-URL:
https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/54dc2c ... /detection
Again, feel free to scan for yourself...

If i upload it unpacked (the exe) i get a 1/63 detection. And this is not even dangerous or virus, but only "unsave". And i never heard from Cylance as antivirus...
https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/ea863 ... /detection
Again, feel free to scan for yourself...

If you go to the doctors and 63 say: You are healthy, and 1 says "Meh... Something is wrong..." What do you believe?

Edit: Heck! That post of yours was on a new page, cheffe, and i didnt see it. My bad. But basically we think the same and have the same response. :thumbright:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:31 pm 
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Sure let me take your word for it... *chuckles*

I'll be running easyuo on the ol good will pc from now on... Should be interesting to see how it effs with it... as usual weird crap happens when I install easyuo so... maybe in the future consider leaving the trojans out of it? surely windows defender of all programs would be trustworthy. I think I'll put my trust in windows defender over those other retarded antivirus that have never once stopped anything for me in my entire life.

Virustotal.com or Microsoft.com... Choices choices... choices...

/// also edit* ill change my account passwords and strip all of the accounts down... remove permissions ect... jic...


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Virustotal is not a maker of anti-virus software afaik. They run a farm of computers with all known anti-virus scanners installed that'll scan the uploaded files. So it's not one virus scanner against another, it's all currently known virus-scanners vs. Windows Defender. If you look at the list, you see AVG, F-Secure, McAfee, Sophos, Symantec, TrendMicro, Avast, Avira, ClamAV, F-Prot, Kaspersky, etc. That's quite a large part of the industry right there.

I happen to be an IT professional. But hey, why listen to me when you have your own gut instincts to draw upon.

As far as leaving trojans out in the future... if I were to include something like that on purpose, let me assure you it wouldn't show up on any virus scanner. EUO already reads your UO client's memory. The password is easy to find. Keys are also logged easily. But hey, hacking other people is actually against the law. Do you even have anything worth hacking?

*Cheffe reconsiders and looks greedily in thruda's general direction*


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:55 pm 
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rofl... it professional = a pc monkey... virustotal.com is obviously popular with you and your peers but honestly just keep living the dream bud

also have real world it experience... military it experience... trust me... most "IT professionals" are completely incapable of defending their own computers from attack... My entire ship was infested with these types of trojans. so... perhaps you are not purposely putting the trojan into the program or then again maybe you are... I will n o t use it on this pc regardless of what you say... until I have proof that the pc that easyuo is worked on / updated on is 100% standalone (internet capabilities completely removed) and the program is uploaded to the site after being burnt to disk and then uploaded from another computer (high sec upload only computer) I'm good... I have a bad feeling that maybe the computer it is updated on is effed. maybe you guys need to rethink your security protocols.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:01 pm 
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But, reading your posts before, it seems like you used it. Now all the sudden it has a virus and you're scared? Ok. Cheffe, if you put a virus in easyuo, take all my shit. And thank you for the years of enjoyment. I won't press charges. ;) Plus, if you're the "IT PROFESSIONAL" on your ship, why was the entire ship infested with Trojans? I smell *COUGH* BULLSHIT *COUGH* ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:02 am 
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+1 to that, scripty! :)

And thruda: Dont forget your tinfoil-hat and faraday cage. Ditch those intel-CPUs with chinese spyware EMBEDDED into the SILICONE and go with good old logic-CPU you built yourself with 74HC-chips.
Geez...
Do a bit of research please. Think about memory-allocation and what is considered "good behavior of a tool" and "bad behavior": Good = only stays within the allocated memory. Bad = goes out of the allocated memory and reads/writes to foreign memory. Thats what EasyUo HAS to do in order to work. Therefore heuristics can correctly tell you: Bad.
But if you say NO to all sharp knifes pushed into a body... Thats OK. But whats about a scalpel? See? A rule is OK, but you have to understand the exemptions.
So OK to you for being cautious. But checking with 64 scanners and only one tells you "Bad", i honestly are surprised not more tell this because hey: It GOES out-bound of allocated memory.
Also, with close to 60k registered users and maybe (Wild guess) 20'000+ EUO in use, i think IF there would be a virus, the boards would be in flames already. ... Or cheffe is genius in virus-writing and no antivirus catches it. Then, i would say, he rightfully IS the one and only IT-professional i ever met and i bow to him to all eternity.

Scripty: LOL! Storytime: I remember when i was in the army in the electronic warfare, we got a new jammer from israel we had to validate for the swiss army.
all 5 Systems were infested with a nasty virus which used USB as jump-way. We had a whole stack of clean sticks (newly bought) to transfer stuff from the network to the jammers. Once they were plugged in, this stick was considered trash and were not allowed to be ever plugged back into another thing than the jammer-system.
Later in the 3 weeks we managed to clean it, but honestly, we never found out what the source of origin was... One single infected USB is enough to break havoc on a system. The virus did nothing except spreading... because the trigger-date for the payload was way past and it required a control-server... Difficult if you dont have internet on your jammers.
Edit: Oh look! Still available the old rig: http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/0/40710.pdf

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:07 am 
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Additionally, how long has Cheffe been doing this? 16 years? 17? How long has he had to surf your porn stash and read your personal emails and record your bank records? I think if he had any malicious intent, we'd all know by now and he'd also be out of business and left penniless and destitute. Sure his build machine might have become infected with something else, but judging from previous reports and results, the present virus analysis results aren't any different than they have been for the last many years.

So put your tin-foil hat back on the night stand; the veteran community here has confidence.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:50 pm 
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Also, if you're an IT professional, and you keep anything of value on your game pc, that would make you THAT paranoid, you're an absolute idiot. And not a real IT professional. But Cheffe is welcome to my naked male model pictures. I left them there for him on purpose.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:11 pm 
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Scripty wrote:
But Cheffe is welcome to my naked male model pictures. I left them there for him on purpose.
LOL IRL! Thanks! Made my evening! :thumbright:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:35 am 
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Yeah I always leave a picture of my nuts on any device connected to the internet specifically for that purpose of burning that image into any hacks brain cells permanently. Same goes for web cams when they are connected... I grab it and show my nuts on it then unplug it.

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Also I got cut off back when this thread was active... The reason I'm afraid of running an ezuo version with a virus detection is simple. I'm trying not to get banned off of official servers. Typically a virus detection means that the program is capable of doing things that you dont want a program to be able to do.

I got banned from official UO servers about 10 years ago using ezuo to gm tailoring. I came back on my main account which is over 90 months old and was making a triumphant return using ezuo. Now this is the important thing to understand... If for some reason ezuo was able to manipulate my UO clients packets that might tip off GMs that I was up to no good. If this virus that was incorporated into the previous version was designed to get people who use it on official UO servers banned by drawing attention from the anti-cheat system they have now I didn't want to find out.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:06 pm 
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The UO-servers are not intended to be used with EUO.
EUO is an unwanted tool as far as the basic idea of the server is concerned.
However, a detection of EUO would be easy (Discussed in length before) it is always a question if humand, not computers, decide to trigger the ban-wave or not. I have no numbers, but i suspect, that around 50-80% of EA-server-Users use EUO in one way or another... So the question is: Does someone want to wipe lets say over half of its paying (!) customerbase?
Of course, if someone reports you and you become a nuisance, then, yes, then you may get baned.
Thats also why we dont allow AFK-scripts here: The impact would be too big.
So:
- EasyUO HAS to manpulate outside its own stack and therefore has an inner working similar to a virus. But thats how it HAS to be to manipulate another program (UO)
- You can get baned no matter what your antivirus tells you.
- Stay low on the server and be non-impacting

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:36 pm 
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My easyuo i downloaded today form here is not detecting a suitable client, or however it words it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:46 am 
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Well simple question:
Is your client still 7.0.59.5?
If so: Run EasyUO with Admin-rights (Rightclick --> Run as Administrator)

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